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In early 1975, Greenville County Sheriff Cash Williams declared that his community didn't have an organized crime problem. He said the criminals of Greenville County were "a bunch of amateurs."

Murder, etc. listeners didn't miss the irony. When the most dedicated started talking about getting together to talk about what they had heard so far, listener Tim Joner declared they should be called the Bunch of Amateurs

Based on that, we formed Amateurs ETC to make sure those of you who care the most about this story have a place to discuss the show that isn't available to the general public. It's where you can trade theories  and information. It's where we will first announce news about the show and where we will do Q&As.

You are here because you care about this story. 

You are here because you want to know the truth.

You are here because you believe in this story enough that you want to be as deep into the investigation as you can. 

Welcome to Amateurs ETC

Murder, etc. producer Brad Willis has been investigating the Looper murders and Charles Wakefield, Jr.'s conviction for two decades. He has personally funded the investigation and production of the Murder, etc. podcast while working a full-time job. Murder, etc. is a costly endeavor, and for it to continue, it needs your support. 


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