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In AEWCH 13, I hang out with one of my favorite punks, Mish Barber-Way, singer/screamer of White Lung. White Lung is intense, loud, metal-meets-punk, and they're truly awesome. (Rolling Stone named White Lung’s album, Deep Fantasy, one of the 40 Greatest Punk Albums of All Time.) So I made sure to ask Mish to play a couple songs, too, even though she's used to playing MUCH much louder. There are acoustic versions of “Paradise” at  57:55 and “Stand By Your Man” by Tammy Wynette: 1:17:40


  • Mish’s sordid, awesome past and present in the adult industry: 2:45
  • Who gets screwed up by being in porn and who does well and why?: 5:10
  • Strategies for public performances. Of all kinds.: 7:15
  • Radiating sexuality: 10:20
  • Our apocalypse survival strategies and the Amish at the end of the world: 13:15
  • How screaming gets you ignored in music, especially if you’re a woman, and why to do it anyway, and what Wilhelm Reich has to do with it: 23:00
  • Arousal and desire are not the same thing: 36:05
  • The missing language of gray area sexual encounters, and why we’re drawn to simple language, even though it doesn’t help us: 46:35
  • The complicated relationships that can frame assault: 51:05
  • Mish talks about White Lung’s song, “Paradise”: 54:40
  • Mish plays an acoustic version of “Paradise”: 57:55
  • Once you get what you want you can’t want it: 1:00:50
  • Why danger matters: 1:03:15
  • Mish plays “Stand By Your Man” by Tammy Wynette: 1:16:45


I met Mish when she was touring with her friend, the great Louise Burns, who you can find here.

Here's a portrait of Mish in the LA Times.

I love that Mish mentioned the 70s LA punk band The Bags. Alice Bag from The Bags recently released a solo album. You can read about it and more in this article about her.

Here’s Tom Brown Jr’s tracking school if you decide you want those woodsy experiences.

Sherman Alexie is the great Native American writer who made fun of paleo. 

Mish and I both talk about favorite female screamers from our teenhoods, she mentions Kat Bjelland from Babes in Toyland, and I get all excited about queer punk band, Team Dresch.

Make sure you read Mish’s excellent essay on screaming.

My friend Travis fronts The Dismemberment Plan, who silenced a huge crowd with a scream. They're reuniting soon. Here's their site.

I wrote an essay on Wilhelm Reich, who wrote about screaming during orgasm. If you try it, let me know how it goes.

Here’s some info on the Meredith Chivers study Mish mentioned, which is also written about at length, and in a complicated and thoughtful way by Daniel Bergner in What Do Women Want?: Adventures in the Science of Female Desire.

And here’s an article on the complex and confusing phenomenon of orgasm during rape.

I wrote an essay on the complexities of sexual violations and our responses for MEL Magazine and it seems to be well-liked. That's nice.

The discussion on children being abused is expressed at length in Susan Clancy’s excellent sociological study, The Trauma Myth.

Here’s the interview I reference with a man who was assaulted by Kevin Spacey as a teenager.

Mish mentions Camille Paglia, who appears on a list of Mish’s heroes, with awesome little drawings of them by Liz Riccardi.

My essay on being assaulted by my ex-boyfriend is here.

And finally, my essay on utopianist, Charles Fourier, who I mention throughout the series, is here.

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