Robert Lewis a.k.a. Rafiq just published an important new article on YouTube censorship. Our conversation begins with that topic, then moves on to Ukraine (where Rafiq is currently residing). Rafiq's perspective, less unsympathetic to Ukrainian nationalists than most alternative media discourse, deserves a hearing...and a rebuttal, which I deliver. After noting that the Ukrainian folk zeitgeist is grim/dismal/bleak (pick your adjective) Rafiq contrasts this with the vastly happier people he has encountered in nations where religion and spirituality have survived the onslaught of secular materialism.