Andrew Tall Steve was on as a co-host/guest, not a debating opponent, it would have been a bit inhospitable. Plus, the community isn't going to heal if old wounds keep getting scratched, I'd rather push the skepticism and let it erode the compartmentalism from within, hard challenges seem to lead to turtle behaviour. :(

August 5, 2015 20:39:36 · Reply

Christopher Jones You sound exactly like christians telling me atheism is a religion. Feminism is a moral position and I believe the only justifiable one.

August 7, 2015 14:30:15 · Reply

Kevin Johnsen Then clearly Christopher, you have stopped being self reflective and internally consistent. 3'rd wave Feminism is entirely based in faith based assertions that are demonstrably false with any effort to look into the real data behind them. Not that you will take the effort to check your beliefs in any way and will guard your faith with the fervor of a fundy christian. Here are a few links:

August 7, 2015 14:56:23 · Reply

Kevin Johnsen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0xuM12E05o

August 7, 2015 14:56:59 · Reply

Kevin Johnsen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUPxRYWpglQ

August 7, 2015 14:57:30 · Reply

Kevin Johnsen LOL. I just noticed, took me a minute, as a former feminist myself, your quote went past me as something I have said in the past and didn't even notice. When you said: "Feminism is a moral position and I believe the only justifiable one." Is that not EXACTLY what a lot of dogmatic christians say about their christianity? Yes, thank you Christopher for proving my point about Feminism being a faith based religion, beyond any reasonable doubt.

August 7, 2015 15:36:12 · Reply

Christopher Jones Well Kevin, I checked the videos but they were opinion pieces. One of them says that feminist leaders are like cult leaders but I don't really care, people say the same thing about atheist leaders but I question them all the time and sometimes I get some negative feedback but so what. In fact a critique I have of Seth is that he thinks guns can be ok (I just can't get behind that at all) but then I look at all his great work and say 'hey I guess I'll just have to disagree on this one'. Point is I do disagree. I believe feminist leaders get the same push back all the time contrary to the video. To your other point, I suppose some christians would say their religion is the only moral choice as you point out. I would argue that they are wrong and the tenants of their faith do not constitute a moral standing. However, believing that all women (and people of different ethnic groups, sexual orientations, gender identities, etc.) should have the same rights and opportunities is a moral position that is very easy to defend. Where's the dogma? What is your definition of dogma? p.s. I am pretty self reflective I'm pretty sure although it isn't easy to quantify such things.

August 9, 2015 08:00:29 · Reply

Kevin Johnsen Quote: "However, believing that all women (and people of different ethnic groups, sexual orientations, gender identities, etc.) should have the same rights and opportunities is a moral position that is very easy to defend." That is egalitarianism or humanism you are talking about, both good and moral fights for equal human rights, trying to add feminism to that is a very clear fallacy of definition. The dictionary says it is, but even the most basic skeptical look at the actions and rhetoric of mainstream prominent feminists shows that to be an absolute lie. My definition of dogma is along the lines of the generally accepted one, a set of beliefs or principles laid down as unarguable truths that have no basis in reality. Such as the claims that women are VASTLY more likely to be raped or other such nonsense. 1/4 women are rape victims, is dogma that if you actually read the methods and definitions of the study they pull that number from, any claim that the number is valid is an outright lie. The whole women are being raped at alarming rates on college campuses, while it is 0.4% more then it should be, it is still only 0.4%, so claiming it is a HUGE problem, is a dogmatic lie. Domestic violence you say? Hate to break it to you, but that's more feminist dogma, domestic violence is nearly a non-gender issue, meaning its borderline equal who is the victim and who is the perpetrator in domestic violence. The one group that has the highest domestic violence rate of any couples, are lesbian women, claiming this is a feminist issue that women need disproportionate protection from men is dogma, and a lie. The pay gap, is dogma, and is a lie. Rape culture, is dogma, and is a lie. This is a hugely gynocentric world and culture, women by default have vastly more rights and have fewer responsibilities, feminists only goal is to further gain absolute rights over men and to have zero responsibility for anything. Take the major feminist writings on places like the SPLC website which blatantly lie about rape and such when they were attacking MRA groups. Listing MRA groups as hate groups for the gall of using the ACTUAL data from the same study that feminists use to claim women are the only real victims of rape. That study ACTUALLY took all the real data, but they CHANGED THE DEFINITION of rape in their conclusion statements to literally delete male victims from their numbers, by that study a man could be held at gunpoint, his cloths cut off him a women to have sex with him in pretty much anyway, and by the definition used he would not be a rape victim (BTW, how many men you think would feel ok with reporting forcible rape to police? Studies show it is VASTLY lower reporting then women) That study changes the terms for men from rape, to "forcible made to penetrate" which by their terminology means men can not be rape victims and women can't be rapists, which study after study has proven otherwise, it's also a nearly non-gendered issue. IF you care about equality and such, then either call yourself a humanist or egalitarian or you don't actually care about equality, because feminism has not for a long time, if arguably ever, been about equality. Hell, even the old time feminism back when, fighting for voting rights. Many women didn't want it because it was thought that to gain the vote they would have to become equal in responsibilities and sign up for the draft, like men do. But feminists won the superior position of voting without the consequences of having to sign up for the draft, like all men do. Even then, it was a female superiority movement.

August 9, 2015 16:43:12 · Reply

Seth Andrews The charge of gender neutrality in domestic violence situations isn't sustainable against the data, which (according to 21st century Department of Justice statistics) shifts 5 to 1 against females. The other charges here are vast generalizations and overstatements, essentially painting feminism with its inflammatory caricatures. Male rape happens, and falsely reported female rape happens, but the notion that it's a 50/50 game is ludicrous, and the charge that (all or the majority of) feminists simply want to ride the male coattails toward a responsibility and consequence-free life is laughably absurd. I've been hugely unimpressed with the MRA movement, and as a middle-class American male, I find it ridiculous to be told that middle-class American males need a club to protect themselves against the big, bad females. I'm also struck by the prevalence of destructive and often sexist language within MRA exchanges online ("mangina!"). Christopher can frame equality within the word "feminism" and "actually care about equality," and I support his right to do so. If someone wishes to call it egalitarianism, humanism, etc, whatever suits them. But for my part, I'd encourage any and all to pursue the laudable goal of gender equality far, far away from the hugely misguided and often hugely destructive MRA.

August 9, 2015 23:54:27 · Reply

Kevin Johnsen Wow, hugely destructive MRA, going full mackintosh Seth? That's grossly disappointing. Resorting to baseless slander on a subject you are apparently wholly ignorant of. So much for your skeptic cred? Show me examples of any MRA being HUGELY DESTRUCTIVE of anything other then feminist propaganda. Here's a hint, you can't, that is simply propaganda peddled by those unwilling to think for themselves. Want to see the horrific things MRA's do? Here's a nice example of the evil people themselves, it's ok though people you like and support join the conversation at 1:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4euzB0CAsCg

August 10, 2015 00:06:53 · Reply

Kevin Johnsen Not sure where you found those "statistics" as you claim to have seen. But quick google search brought up the "National Coalition Against Domestic Violence" they list it as 1:3 women, 1:4 men, but as they tend to be a more feminist leaning I would tend to bet it is more slanted, but there numbers nuke your 5:1 number as an outright lie. Looked up a DOJ report that had this little gem. " There is no significant difference in the rate of male and female intimate partner victimization for aggravated assault." but again, it's all an MRA plot.

August 10, 2015 00:17:39 · Reply

Kevin Johnsen Like all feminists attacking the ideas of MRA's, all you have is logical fallacies and slander to attack their points. Makes it real clear who is using facts and real numbers, and who is using faith and dogma. Congratulations seth, you traded faith in christianity for faith in feminism.

August 10, 2015 00:21:36 · Reply

Kevin Johnsen If you want to have a religious debate, you for the religion, an a realist against. Look up Karen Straughan, https://www.youtube.com/user/girlwriteswhat Would make for a good show, however, you would have to come with actual facts if you want to have any hope of not looking like a fool. Like Cenk did when he tried to talk to her, he made himself a disgrace, even feminists say he lost BAD. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7kqqywey7g

August 10, 2015 00:27:50 · Reply

Kevin Johnsen More of those EVIL MRA's and the feminists out for equality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQzQBTkQZWU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qodygTkTUYM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2KPeMcYsuc

August 10, 2015 00:39:17 · Reply

Christopher Jones Sorry Seth, but I got a bit rankled. I'll try to be more civil going forward.

August 9, 2015 08:03:02 · Reply

Kevin Johnsen Interesting... You make a statement 2 days earlier that you want to resist derogatory statements and make good faith efforts to be reasonable. Then you launch intona rant that includes logical fallacies, including ad hominem attacks. It's OK Seth, I am not mad at you in any way. I know it took you and me both a while to escape Christianity. And while not nearly as long or painful of a process, it took me months to dig myself out of the femenist brainwashing. It was just over a year ago I was a true faith believer in femenist dogma, calling myself a femenist and believing the stuff they said were true. I know you may double down in your faith like believers do, I can only hope that in time you will see femenism for what it really is. This will be the last time I bring the subject up, do not be afraid to ask questions of me or the many resources and people out there. There are many around willing to help. PS. I have never called myself an MRA and actively apposed being associated with them in the past, due mostly there being toxic individuals that also call themselves MRA's. But, due the conversation here I see that I might as well use the label, I will be accused of it anyway. And I still call myself an atheist even though there are clearly toxic atheists out there as well, so the Christians will associate me with the toxic atheists for the term alone, femenists will call me an MRA for standing up to them in any way. Might as well accept it and move onto the fighting for the issues I find important.

August 12, 2015 00:16:16 · Reply

Cara Santa Maria Thanks so much!

September 21, 2015 08:36:51 · Reply

Tina Guo Thank you Graham as always <3 I really appreciate your support!

September 28, 2015 20:38:01 · Reply

Tina Guo Thanks Alice! I found it on Etsy :) Hugs!

September 28, 2015 20:37:46 · Reply

Tina Guo Thank you so much Jennifer! <3

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